“There isn’t anything to ruin, bro,” exclaims Garfield, frantically laughing after the host cautiously posed the Spider-Man question. “I had to just quickly cut you off—there’s nothing to ruin! It’s so crazy! Dude, it’s fucking hilarious to me, because I do have this [secret] Twitter account, and I see how often Spider-Man is trending, and people freaking out about a thing.”

The topic of Spider-Man has to evoke mixed feelings for Garfield, since it represents the biggest break of his career, which came to a humiliating end. While 2012’s The Amazing Spider-Man was hardly a box office dud, having grossed $757.9 million worldwide, 2014’s The Amazing Spider-Man 2 failed to follow an expected upward trend with its $708.9 million take; a development that, along with its collectively unimpressed reviews, would see the franchise—and Garfield himself—kicked to the curb. Compounding that, Sony’s disappointment in Garfield’s angstier, skateboarding, conspiracy-unraveling reinvention of the Wall-Crawler was so strong that it became a catalyst for a historically uncharacteristic concession to collaborate with Marvel Studios to properly bring Spider-Man back to the big screen—a mere two years after his last appearance. Ouch!

Consequently, the current influx of excitement over a prospective return as Spider-Man has to feel surreal for Garfield, who subsequently parlayed prominence from the failed superhero platform to Oscar-nominated glory as the star of 2017 World War II drama Hacksaw Ridge. If Garfield is being deceptive, then one might think that he is simply taking time to emotionally process a prospective offer from Sony and Marvel to reprise the role.

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However, his denial takes a convincingly sincere turn when he further states, “I wish I could just be able to speak to everyone and say, like, ‘I recommend that you chill.’ Listen, I can’t speak for anything else apart from myself, like, they might be doing something, but I ain’t got a call.” Indeed, if Garfield turns out to be keeping one of Marvel Studios’ typical tight-kept secrets, then it would very well be one of his best acting performances.

Nevertheless, Garfield remains resolute in his increasingly artful denials. Dipping into the world of video games, he even compares his situation to certain role-playing franchises, stating, “I feel like I’m in a game of fucking Werewolf (or Mafia,) where I’m like ‘I’m not the werewolf. I promise you I’m not the werewolf,’ and everyone’s like, ‘You’re the werewolf, you’re the fucking werewolf!’” Indeed, after the skepticism of the podcast host was apparent, the actor reiterates, “I DID NOT get a call. I would have gotten a call by now. That’s what I’m saying.”

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